I am ashamed as an American that this war continues in my (our) name(s). As an active and believing Latter-day Saint and Christian I am aghast that a nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles persists in such an unchristian endeavor. I condemn the political leaders of both major political parties of this nation for not taking some decisive action to end this madness, this death, this destruction, this misery, this unholy and ungodly war. I pray daily that God will soften hearts, any hearts to end this travesty.
October 11, 2006
October 11, 2006 at 9:40 am
Amen.
Doug
October 11, 2006 at 9:47 am
you need to read Romans 13. this is a just war.
America has the right to protect this world from terrorists. As Jesus died for us, don’t mock the blood of our soldiers for trying to win freedom for our brothers and sisters in Iraq.
October 11, 2006 at 10:07 am
Debbie, I am appalled that you equate Guy’s moral anguish with mockery. As Augustine said, “We go to war that we may have peace” – war itself, though we may believe it to be necessary, is never something to be celebrated.
October 11, 2006 at 10:36 am
debbie,
“America has the right to protect this world from terrorists.”
1. It’s very questionable that the Iraq war is achieving that.
2. Even if it is, is it worth the lives of 600,000 Iraqis?
And before someone disputes the 600,000 figure, I think it is a given that the low estimate is at least 50,000. That goes only for reported war-related deaths. It is certainly more.
50,000?
70,000?
100,000?
600,000?
At what point are the deaths “worth it”?
I know that the majority of these deaths have not been caused directly by the US and its allies. The jihadist villains who cause chaos and destruction are to be loathed. But we blithely and arrogantly made a real and total mess over there, and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis are dead.
Yes, for shame. Not shame on the troops, but shame on the masters of war who plot death whilst hiding in their white mansions.
October 11, 2006 at 11:53 am
I am very glad to see a blog article on the war that talks about it’s moral side. I have not seen that addressed so clearly anywhere else. It doesn’t matter if we are Dems or Repubs. It matters that the situation is morally repugnant.
October 11, 2006 at 12:26 pm
As an aside, an another airplane just crashed into a building in new york. It doesn’t seem terror related, but who knows…
October 11, 2006 at 12:43 pm
Are you also ashamed of President Hinckley who gave his moral and spiritual stamp of approval for regime change in Iraq?
October 11, 2006 at 12:52 pm
LDS Patriot:
Where and when did Pres. Hinckley give “his moral and spiritual stamp of approval for regime change in Iraq?” His comments on the aftermath of 9/11 in no way promote or invoke the right of regime change in any other country. Show where he said anything of the sort!!
Don’t use the prophet to promote your own jingoistic politics.
October 11, 2006 at 1:29 pm
Mike,
You’ve just opened up a can of worms. LDSPatriot will now start quoting en masse from President Hinckley’s “War and Peace” talk in April 2003 General Conference on this and that, how we should “defend freedom” and so on.
I think Guy’s point is very accurate. There is nothing Godly or holy about this war. Even Bush backers agree with this. They, in fact, relish that America takes the low road, claiming that this is justified because the enemy is supposedly “different,” or “new.” But on the other hand, they like to call this war a continuation of the war in heaven. If it is the same war fought in heaven, are the enemies new or different? Even their tactics, instilling fear, killing innocents, there’s nothing new about it or different. So where’s the justification for our side getting down and dirty?
This is unholy and ungodly.
October 11, 2006 at 2:21 pm
*yawn*
this again?
boring. No, supporters of the war are not evil.
Do I support the war? No. Does that mean I must believe that those who do “relish America taking the low road?” No. Does it mean I must join in the chorus of posts that proclaim my moral superiority to Bush and his supporters. No. Does it mean I am right? No.
Posts like these are nothing more than “hey look at me! I’m one of the good guys (unlike those evil people over there who aren’t really Christian/Mormon even though they say they are).
It solves nothing, and I doubt it’s really that catharthic. I doubt it even makes you that happy.
Boring. Try and say something actually interesting. I’ve seen this post dozens of times already, and I’ll likely see dozens more in the coming months. But it’s still boring, since none of them do anything remotely interesting or unique.
October 11, 2006 at 2:24 pm
How would you end it? Just start packing up tomorrow? Be gone within the next 6 months? Send over an additional 500k troops and wipe out any and all pockets of discontent? Posts like this demonstrate a severe lack of intellectual maturity because it amounts to petty sniping. It’s just too easy to point and say, “You’re doing it wrong.” Propose a solution and then lets debate the feasability and morality of that solution. If you can’t do that then shut up.
October 11, 2006 at 2:53 pm
Really??
Ashamed that this war continues in your name? Did you support a war on terrorism in the beginning? How do you propose we deal with terrorism? These people will not stop until all the world are radical islamists. That is their purpose and goal. It’s what they do.
Moral?? Frankly, I’m ok with trying to end the genocide. I believe that would be moral.
Also..
Mosiah 29:21
And behold, now I say unto you, ye cannot dethrone an iniquitous king save it be through much contention, and the shedding of much blood.
How’s that for morality?
October 11, 2006 at 3:14 pm
Of course, the many pro-Bush replies also show a lack of respect for “the other side” (which implies a binary, when there are rather around a dozen or so “sides” to this issue).
Mainly, I find it annoying how self-righteous and self-assured both sides sound.
October 11, 2006 at 3:23 pm
I have no problem that Guy feels ashamed, and I have no problem with those who disagree with him. There’s plenty of room in the tent for opposing political views.
I do want to address one thing, though, that ‘endless negotiation’ brings up. Guy didn’t demand any sort of immediate withdrawal. As long as the men and women of our armed forces are in danger, it is perfectly appropriate to question what our current plans are and pray for a resolution.
It is not Guy’s responsibility to devise an exit strategy. The burden is our governmental leaders to justify to us why American troops are being kept in harm’s way and what the government is doing to bring this to their desired end. It’s been more than 1,200 days since “Mission Accomplished.” The American people deserve answers to the points Guy raises.
And though it may be enough for you, “Stay the Course” is not a real answer to the question.
October 11, 2006 at 3:55 pm
Getting in was easy. Getting out is supremely difficult. There was obviously minimal post-invasion planning or winning the peace. Administration cronies with little to no experience were given positions of authority in the Coalition Provisional Authority instead of knowledgeable and experienced military and intelligence individuals.
The British found almost the exact situation in the late 1920′s after having been given Iraq as part of the British Mandate after WWI. The conflicts and disagreements deteriorated into sectarian violence and the British left the country in worse shape than when they arrived.
I just hope that there will continue to be enough pressure and public sentiment to always, always, always hold the government responsible for its actions.
October 11, 2006 at 4:15 pm
630,000 deaths. Substantiated by polling data by people who intentionally, by their own admissions, released a similar report before the November 2004 elections. Very, very suspect. Especially since no other organization supports numbers even close. A bit of a touch of the dramatic to a very, real, very important situation.
As for the war, shame on us for trying to bring the agency to choose to God’s own peoples. It is a fight against evil and we ain’t it. Answers are being presented and progress is being made on many fronts, just don’t look for good news from our media. Why is it so many seek gloom and doom, when there are silver linings to be found in a realistic picture? Do you want us to succeed or fail? I truly wonder sometimes. Are there any easy answers in war today? Why can we not come to some conclusion on anything? Did Brother Harry Reid already have his rebuttal to today’s news conference written ahead of time, it certainly sounded very generic to me. It is always so much easier to be critical than to take the hard road and formulate suggestions, weigh those suggestions and then follow through.
As for me, my prayers are for the safety of those who fight on our behalf and for resolution to come quickly and for our leaders to be guided righteously in their actions.
October 11, 2006 at 4:59 pm
Brian said:
“As for me, my prayers are for the safety of those who fight on our behalf and for resolution to come quickly and for our leaders to be guided righteously in their actions.”
A lot of us pray for that. Don’t assume that we don’t. The problem is that the war in Iraq simply is not accomplishing the goals associated with a “just war.” That that was the case became apparent long ago, but the incompetently-led war effort has continued because we currently have a leadership that is unwilling to admit mistakes even by so simple an act as changing course.
The war in Iraq is not making the world safer against terrorism. The 16 intelligence agencies contributing to the National Intelligence Estimate made that very clear. Al Queda had no presence in Iraq before the war. Now Iraq is its prime recruiting tool.
Brian says:
“As for the war, shame on us for trying to bring the agency to choose to God’s own peoples.”
You’ll recall that that was not the original rationale for invading. The rationale was fear — fear of WMDs that weren’t there. Intelligence agencies were pressured to “stovepipe” unverified and unanalyzed evidence related to WMDs in order to bolster the case. The 16 words in the SOTU speech were known to be untrue at the time they were inserted into the speech. Colin Powell counts his presentation to the UN as the low point of his career.
The reason there’s not much good news coming out of Iraq is because there’s not much good news in Iraq. The military’s own journalistic branch has stopped sending correspondents into the field because it’s too dangerous. If the MILITARY can’t manage to find good news to report, can the mainstream media be blamed for not putting prettier pictures on TV for us.
It’s not that those of us opposed to the war are seeking doom and gloom, it’s just that we prefer not to wear rose-colored glasses.
Ivan:
Isn’t your griping just another kind of “less-pretentious-than-thou” rhetoric? For the life of me I can’t see what’s wrong with Guy stating his opinion within the context of a moral framework, as he sees it.
October 11, 2006 at 10:01 pm
Thank you to all who have stopped by, and particularly to those of you who took the time to share your thoughts on this important issue.
To Debbie, LDS Patriot, Ivan Wolfe, endlessnegotiation, and CT I appreciate that you have a different view than do I. Let me just say I’ll add your hearts to the list for which I pray to be softened daily.
united cats Amen indeed–thanks for stopping by.
Matt B I agree, war is not at all anything which we should celebrate.
Ronan I’m curious from a native Brit’s perspective–has Blair paid politically for this in the UK? From what I read in the American press that seems to be the case–but I’d be curious to hear how the Brits view what has happened. I also appreciate and certainly agree with your separation of the shame as belonging to the leaders in both parties, and not on the brave young men and women who are fighting for their country.
James D My intent in this post was to emphasize the moral and steer away from the political. I truly feel leaders in both political parties have shamefully let this war continue without doing anything to bring it to a close.
mw* While the plane accident today was tragic–I am grateful it was not a further terrorist attack on our great country.
Mike W. Thank you very much for the strong defense of our Prophet, Seer, and Revelator Gordon B. Hinckley. There is nothing it President Hinckley’s teachings of Doctrine that remotely suggests the type of activity currently ongoing in Iraq. I also agree with you that all earthly governments need to be held responsible for this war.
Dan Perhaps I am not well read enough–but I have not heard the analogy you suggest that somehow this Iraq war is a continuation of the War in Heaven. Can you share a reference possibly? Thanks for your comment.
Chad too Thanks for the reminder that there is plenty of room for all sorts of opinion not only in this great land of ours; but, even in Christ’s Kingdom. Hopefully with enough prayer, there will be some resolution to these horrible atrocities.
Brian This war has been going on for over three years. There is no real surprise that there have been too many needless deaths, election time or not. I’m not sure we have a Divine edict to bring “choice” to any people at the barrel of a gun. I’m sure everyone prays for the safety of all the soldiers fighting in this war. Hopefully some hearts will be softened so that the war will actually end and that our prayers for soldiers’ safety will no longer be necessary.
Jeremy Thanks for your point about a “just war”. I’m sure philosophically there may be such things. In the real telestial world, where Satan rules with blood and horror, I’m not sure it’s quite so easy to determine which wars are just and those which are not. One certainly has to question the justness of this one given the actual choices that were before us back in 2003.
Thanks again to all who have thus far commented. Even if you strongly disagree with me, I have appreciated reading and pondering your thoughts and comments.
October 12, 2006 at 4:44 am
Guy,
I’ve heard the theory that all our conflicts today are a continuation of the war in heaven, mostly from very hardcore conservatives, those who don’t think Bush is doing enough! They are fond of quotes from President Benson and McKay and Skousen’s Naked Communist. I’m sure if you get into a discussion with a hardcore conservative, they’ll say this very thing. It doesn’t help that President Hinckley aluded to the war in heaven in his War and Peace talk in April 2003 General Conference. That hardened these hardcore conservatives’s view that their war against communism (as quoted by Skousen) continues now in this war in Iraq.
The problem is that once you connect a war to religion, it’s kinda hard to change course, even when you are failing. Try telling the terrorists to stop their conflict. They won’t, because they’ve tied their own conflict to their religion. Now the west is tying this conflict to their own religion, so what you’ve got are two sides fighting a religious war.
This will end in tears and heartache for the entire world, unfortunately.
October 12, 2006 at 4:45 am
Oh, brother.
October 12, 2006 at 8:10 am
Dan,
Thanks for that update. I don’t doubt that the “ideological” war in heaven continues to this day in this existence. I’m not sure I can equate what is going on over in the middle east as somehow part of that.
Adam Greenwood,
Brother . . . thanks for stopping by!
October 12, 2006 at 9:18 am
I don’t know Guy, I think you’re going to get your Wood Badge revoked for writing this…
October 12, 2006 at 1:51 pm
KLC–HA! That’s a good one!!!! I like it
October 15, 2006 at 4:40 pm
“I will gather the treasures of the earth and will gold and silver I will buy up armies and navies…and reign with blood and horror”.
Which nation has consumed most of the world’s resources? Which nation has the biggest army and navy? Which nation has troops in just about every other nation? Which nation is serving “the god of this world”?
Solution: Forcefully move all members of Congress, the Supreme court and the white house to Bagdad, leave them their and bring all our troops (from all over the world) home now – today.
October 16, 2006 at 7:04 am
Jack, Interesting solution–but it was your opening quote that really caught my eye.
October 17, 2006 at 8:11 am
What Chad, too said. Much better than I could have.
Guy, meet Dan. http://thegooddemocrat.wordpress.com/
Dan, meet Guy.
I guess I think we’re basically screwed. And Guy, I’ll tell you like I keep telling Dan–and my friends in India. STORE SOME WATER.
October 18, 2006 at 4:32 pm
Guy,
If you could reel back events in recent history, and proceed differently with foreknowledge of the chain of events you just undid, with all their repercussions, which point in time would you go back to, to undo the horror and injustice that is staging in Iraq today?
October 19, 2006 at 2:29 pm
You want us to wait for the terrorists to bring the war over here. It may happen anyway. Read REVELATION.
October 19, 2006 at 4:53 pm
annegb: Yes, I have already met Dan, and visit his blog you linked to on a regular basis. I have a pretty decent supply of water already stored, over 115 gallons of drinking water, and about another 100 stored of washing water–but thanks for the reminder
Jim: If I could reel back events in recent history, which I would define as at least back to 2000, I would proceed differently with the election of 2000 so that the candidate with the most votes actually sat in the Oval Office. If that is too far back for your question–then I would go early 2001 and force the government intelligence agencies to listen to one another, share information, and hopefully avoided 9/11 by intercepting enough information prior to the fact to have disrupted the cells. This would have avoided not only Iraq; but 9/11 and the aftermath and wars associated with it.
Otherwise, I would say we should have invaded Afghanistan with sufficient man power so that we never would need to rely on outsourcing American military missions. If that meant 500,000 or more troops, then so be it. I would have caught that thug who still thumbs his nose at us from the Pakistan, Afghan border mountains somewhere, and would have given him a fair trial, and shot him on pay per view TV.
I would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER have invaded Iraq. I have been opposed to that war from its immoral and unholy conception.
Debbie: They’re already brought the war over here–where have you been?
October 20, 2006 at 6:43 pm
Guy,
Simply asserting a different outcome is not what I stipulated for this thought exercise. What I asked is for you to specify how you might have done something different to change the outcome, knowing of current events as a product of past actions.
I am supposing that you could not have taken any direct action to change the outcome of the 2000 election, even knowing what would take place. As I recall, the election contest was decided by a number of controversial high court rulings.
I’m sure you know that the candidate with the most votes was declared the winner in the 2000 election. You apparently feel it is an important distinction to note that Algore received the most popular votes, but Bush had more electoral college votes. I also understand this is by design and has a couple of precedents.
Would you like to go back and revise the electoral system? What would you try to change in the past that might produce the desired effect?
Saying what you would _not_ or what you would prefer other people to _not_ do is probably irrelevant to this exercise. What I am looking for is your proposal to change the past by doing something different than what you did the first time around. You get to keep your knowledge of the events that led to this eventuality, but don’t know of a certainty what possibilities your different actions might produce.
For example, imagine that you went back to the period before the 2000 campaign and murdered George Bush. I think we could stipulate that this would change the future in some fairly significant way.
Perhaps it might be a more useful exercise if we agreed first that your positive acts in the past attempting to revise the future would be lawful.
October 23, 2006 at 6:42 am
Jim,
Sorry, I must have misunderstood your focus. I honestly don’t know what I would or could have done to change events. If as you hypothesize I could have murdered George Bush, then I assume for this exercise I would be able to accomplish things that in real life I would not be able to do.
Assuming that, I would not go back and murder George Bush (as incompetent and bad as I think he is for America–he does not deserve to die); rather, I would go back without any hesitation and have killed Osama Bin Laden and his top leadership cronies–perhaps altering slightly future events. But, even that is doubtful since he appears to have been involved in an entire movement larger than just one man or group of men.
Or, perhaps I would go back in time become Nobel prize winning scientist and invent an alternate energy source making the United States and the West oil independent, thereby alleviating the need to become so involved in the Middle East. Or, perhaps have become an influential political leader so that I could have influenced U.S. energy policy in early 1970′s to concentrate earlier on better and more efficient energy sources at that time, i.e. electric, solar, nuclear, and the like.
I don’t know. It’s an interesting question you pose. And, I’m not certain if my responses are what you are looking for.
Unfortunately we are where we are. I think it more incumbent upon us to deal with the situation in which we find ourselves. What can we do now to stop this waste of human life?
As unpopular a position as this position is in many LDS circles, I really feel that we should just up and leave Iraq as soon as it is practically possible. Eventually, Congress cut off funding for the Vietnam war, despite all the drastic prognostications way back then that if the south fell, so would western civilization as we knew it. Of course that didn’t happen. Vietnam eventually unified, and resolved their own problems in their own way. Today we have somewhat friendly relations with them. If I had enough political influence today I would use that influence to persuade Congress to cut off funding for Iraq’s war.
So, I don’t know Jim—where do we go from here, knowing what we know as LDS?
October 23, 2006 at 1:29 pm
I’m saying that we don’t have any visual signs of war except the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Other countries are far worse.
I hope we leave it that way.
I’m concerned about Iran and N Korea throwing their bombs over here.
October 25, 2006 at 4:01 pm
Guy, perhaps I was confused by your opening remarks.
You obviously feel a stronger sense of association with current events than I do. I thought the time travel experiment might help identify, in a more dispassionate way, what particular events in the past were shameful or led to a shameful condition in the present, and for which you feel some burden of personal responsibility.
Otherwise, I’m not certain I understand why you would feel ashamed.
For myself, I try to stop short of shouldering any blame for things I have no control over. If I did my best, under the circumstances of the moment, then I have nothing to feel ashamed of. Under such conditions, imagining personal guilt is counterproductive and can even be destructive.
October 26, 2006 at 8:01 am
George Bush made made an interesting reference in his recent news conference that relates to the time-machine paradigm…
October 27, 2006 at 10:06 pm
Debbie, Everywhere we go, everything we do now in our country is influenced by and is evidence of the so called war on terror. Every time we fly or even open a bank account our very everyday lives are influenced by those who practice terror. It is naive to believe that because we are fighting a war in Iraq that somehow makes us immune from any further attacks over here. It didn’t immunize Spain or London since our 9/11, both of which experienced terrorist strikes post 9/11.
It is only a matter of time, regardless of whether we are or are not fighting in Iraq. Why do you suppose we have such a huge emphasis on the color coded terror alert system? Why do you think we have to remove our shoes just to board an airplane? If we were so safe here because we are fighting terror overseas–why all the precautions over here? That argument to me doesn’t make any sense.
October 29, 2006 at 8:34 am
Jim,
I don’t see how as an American citizen I can somehow feel detached from what my government is doing in my name, and in part with my money.
There were a myriad of choices made in the past that have resulted in the consequences with which we live today in Iraq, and elsewhere in the world.
There is a difference in feeling shame, vs. feeling guilt. I feel no guilt over the continued war in Iraq. The government conducts this war without my consent; but, I do feel ashamed that it is being conducted, and the way that it is being conducted by the government on my behalf.
I’m afraid George Bush has zero credibility with me. He continues to lump “the war on terror” with the Iraq war, when in fact there was no terror influenced Iraq before the invasion. I don’t believe the dire predictions of these same people who swore there were WMD’s in Iraq prior to the invasion.
In our life times our government has done this before with the lives and blood of young Americans. I’m sure you recall how often we were told by “the best and the brightest” how if we didn’t combat communism the world over that there would be a domino theory of governments falling to communist ideologies all over the world–thereby threatening democracy.
The power of liberty can defeat the ideology of hate every time. The problem is that George Bush and the current U.S. leadership in both political parties have diminished the concepts of liberty and freedom in American by the conduct of this war and the way in which it has and continues to be conducted. In some ways, we have become the enemy–water boarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques, as well as the trampling of fundamental Constitutional rights.
This, in short is why I am ashamed.
December 27, 2006 at 8:26 am
I am not ashamed at our retalliation for 9/11.
This is WAR.
Problem…the enemy is not easily visually identifyable. Could be a young (or old) woman; could be a child; does not wear uniform clothing.
The only way to win this war is to fight the way our enemies are fighting; total destruction without regard for civilian death and damage.
Total destruction (not neccessarily nuclear). Death and damage comes with the territory.
That’s the way we won WWII.
It’s called fighting fire with fire.
Anything less and this war will go on for many years.
May 23, 2007 at 11:05 pm
Hi Guy,
Before I launch in with a comment, let me first say to you Guy that I really do like the way you communicate; mostly the way you think – straightforwardly honest with your heart, selflessly consistent in your principled views, motivated with a sense of purity of purpose, and mostly because you obviously love the strength of the Lord, over the ‘arm of flesh. Thanks for this site, it may become one of my favorite.
Now my turn, here it is five months since the last ‘archive entry’ regarding this subject of the so-called war on terrorism. I am saddened that more have not entered in with their views. But, better there are none, than to have to winnow through so much non-views.
There is so much that could be said of the 911 situation, but I wont. But, in principle I do like what Neil Young said (it should be said here at the time I resented his album to Impeach the President) at Fox interview, where he essentially said: “President Bush does not own the only version of 911 and the war, he has his and I, and others have ours.”
Joseph Smith said : “When you hear the truth you can almost taste it.” I just could not get that taste of truth out of my mouth.
I am an American who used to be a Rush Limbaugh fan – staunchly Republican. I am registered Independent now. Yes, my vote does count, it says that you have lost this registered voters vote until you stop lying to me.
I now live with my wonderful Maori wife in New Zealand, for the last 4 years, almost. We plan to move back, but I would like to move back to a country that is not hated, or resented, or flat out sickened by Americas actions overseas.
Phrases like: “We have to protect OUR national vital interests (oil) over there.”
is what finally turned me away from the Republican party and Limbaugh. Oh, and a personal conversation with Brother Hugh Nibley back in 1991, when I asked him what the one word was he did not mention in his Lectures On The Book Of Mormon 1988-89 series given at BYU, that assures that the second coming will come 30 years quicker. He replied in my personal phone conversation that the word he used that did not end up on the tape was “Reaganomics”. Like most of you out there I was floored, the only thing could say was, “Well Brother Nibley I have a lot to think over.”
I realize there and then I haven’t been thinking things through, so I thought about the Viet Nam war and why we lost. I went to the Book of Mormon to find the answer because President Ezra Taft Benson assured me that I could find out all needed, and relative answers in there, and I did.
I found out the reason why there are over 50 chapters on war. To teach us: war is evil, war is waste, war is necessary, but not always.
I found out that a nation that wages an offensive war does not have the Lords backing, and THAT nation will lose. (we were waging a non-defensive war in Viet Nam, you know the outcome}.
I found out that a nation that messes with or tramples anothers nation soverigty will lose its own. (many examples of that)
I found out that any nation that introduces, and exicutes any type of pre-emptive striking (where you shoot a man, just cause he says he might) is in serious jeopardy with the Lord.
The current Bush Administration principled doctrine is ‘pre-emptive’ stricking. How can any sensible minded American be comfortable with any war with Iraq, Iran, and yes I will say it North Korea.
Are we so arrogant as to try to tell another soverigned nation what it can, and can’t do – when we are doing the same. (Now, I given any of you who want an excuse to critizes this, a reason.)
I trust the Lord is in charge, and he knows the blood and horror that Satan and his angles are exacting on this world. We just need to do right, and live right.
Kiwis, New Zealanders are wonderful people but it saddens me when they ask me if I’m from Canada, or the US (cause of my accent) and I know that they secretly want me to be from Canada, because they are so ashamed of America and what she is doing. I served a mission in Canada, so I am doubly conflicted, aye.
By the way I have closing comment for President Bush, “It’s a piece of CLOTH, not paper!” (when asked about the constitutional issue at a cabinet meeting, five cabinet members quoted Mr. Bush saying: “I’m getting tired of hearing about that @#$ @#$% piece of paper.”)
These are only my opinons, based on fact.
sincerely,
A Concerned American
May 25, 2007 at 8:07 am
A Concerned American,
Thanks for stopping by and for leaving your thoughts.