(Update: Welcome Tribune readers. If you found your way here from Matthew LaPlante’s article, have a look around, feel free to leave any thoughts you have, and thanks for stopping by). Today’s Salt Lake Tribune, as an excellent article by Matthew LaPlante about Utah’s Mormon population souring on the Iraq War.
LaPlante notes that at the inception, Mormons overwhelmingly supported the Iraq War; however, recent Gallop polls show a large 21 percent drop in support of American Mormons for the Iraq War, compared with a similar poll five months earlier:
As a group, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have been staunch supporters of President Bush and his management of Iraq since the war began four years ago.
So Jeffrey Jones wasn’t surprised to see that a two-year compilation of Gallup polls showed American Mormons, more than any other religious group over that period, believed the United States was right to invade Iraq.
“It seemed to make sense,” said Jones, a political analyst with Gallup, a New Jersey-based national polling firm. “Mormons are overwhelmingly Republican, and party affiliation is a powerful predictor of people’s view on the war.”
But that steady tide may be turning, even in the heart of Zion. A January poll by The Salt Lake Tribune showed a precipitous drop in support for Bush’s handling of the war among Utah’s Latter-day Saints. In the survey, just 44 percent of those identifying themselves as Mormon said they backed Bush’s war management. That’s a level considerably higher than Bush gets from Utah’s non-Mormon population and the nation at large, but it’s also a 21 percentage point drop from just five months earlier. The poll’s margin of error was plus or minus 4.7 percentage points.
So, what would explain the drop? According to LaPlante, who spoke with Church officials, the Church has no official position on Iraq:
LDS Church spokesman Mark Tuttle insisted there has been “no additional statement, clarification, changed policy or announcement that can account for” the rapid change in Utah church members’ perceptions of the war. And he reiterated that the church has no official position on Iraq.
However, some point to recent comments by President Hinckley about war in general as possibly having some impact:
But that doesn’t mean prominent Mormons didn’t have plenty of influence on how members were thinking about war and peace between August and January. Rather than one unmistakable message from the church, the change may have been ushered by a rapid series of more subtle signals that it was indeed acceptable for Mormons to question their president during wartime And it all may have started at the very top.
Spooked on Halloween.
Speaking to Brigham Young University students on Oct. 31, LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley lamented “the terrible cost of war.” “What a fruitless thing it so often is,” he said. “And what a terrible price it exacts.
Hinckley recalled standing at the graves of some of history’s most powerful military and political leaders. “In their time they commanded armies,” he said. “They ruled with near omnipotence, and their very words brought terror into the hearts of people,” he said. And yet, he noted, all of them were now dead: “They have all passed into the darkness of the grave.”
Though brooding heavily on the consequences of war in general, Hinckley never mentioned Iraq or President Bush specifically. But in the following days, online message boards and e-mail discussion groups lit up with conversation about what Hinckley – “prophet, seer and revelator” to millions of Mormons worldwide – might have meant in regard to the nation’s current wars.
Of course, interpreting President Hinckley’s comments, particularly when the topic is war, is not always easy. Russell Arden Fox’s recent post at Times and Seasons reflects how some folks may have heard what they wanted to hear when President Hinckley spoke in General Conference just after the Iraq war began.
A month after President Hinckley’s comments at BYU, Utah’s popular governor gave a rather grave assessment of the war effort:
The month after Hinckley’s speech, Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. – one of the more prominent politicians who are LDS members – returned from Iraq with an unfavorable report about the chaos he saw in the war-torn nation’s capital city.
“The security situation is Baghdad is out of hand,” said Huntsman, who enjoys wide popularity among Utahns. “I am less optimistic about a successful outcome.” Huntsman’s dismay echoed that of other well-known Mormon politicians from both sides of the aisle – Sens. Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, and Republican Gordon Smith of Oregon – who were also issuing disappointing proclamations about what the Bush administration had hitherto referred to as Iraq’s “progress.”
November and December brought on crushing congressional defeats for Republican legislators, the resignation of war architect and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and a damning report on the war’s progress by the Iraq Study Group, a bipartisan panel commissioned to come up with solutions to increasing violence and a burgeoning civil war.
Some, including me, who LaPlante graciously quoted in his article feel that as time has gone by, it is more acceptable for Utah or U.S. Mormons to express alternative viewpoints now about Iraq:
That’s an opinion shared by blogger Guy Murray, author of Messenger and Advocate – www.messengerandadvocate.wordpress.com – a popular blog about Mormon issues.
It’s true that, in general, LDS members are more conservative as a whole, but at one point the whole country backed this war and this president,” said Murray. “Over the years, the country has soured on this war, and Mormons may be just following the national trend.” Murray said he believes that, as the war has lumbered violently on, it has become less socially perilous for Mormons to express “alternative” opinions about Iraq. Especially, he noted, as “the church has gone out of its way to stress political neutrality.” “I think there is an element of comfort in that,” he said.
I would also point out that in my brief discussion with Mr. LaPlante, I also observed that these trends on the Iraq war and its support are likely confined to Utah and/or U.S. Mormons, which LaPlane notes in his article. The Gallop polls were clearly confined to U.S. Mormons, rather than worldwide, which, I suspect would show a somewhat different result. I suspect that the Iraq war has much less support worldwide among Mormons than just confined to those in the U.S.
Still, this finding is surprising, given the amount of Mormon support of the war, particularly during the run up and shortly after the “shock and awe” of it all. My hope, of course is that the sooner this war is over the better. I was heartened to see the House pass a funding bill tied to a withdrawal date. I hope the Congress keeps the pressure on the Bush administration to bend its will to that of the American people, regardless of religious affiliation.
March 25, 2007 at 11:23 am
I’m also pleased to see the withdrawal date added as a stipulation for further funding, but lest we praise the Democats too much I would make your readers aware of socialist spinach aid provisions being tacked on in the funding. Sure, the bill has its good points, but not everything smells like roses.
I’m glad to see more and more people “awaken to a sense of [our] awful situation” and gain an objective, realist view of the current situation in the American empire. We need to bring the troops home, we need to secure our porous borders, and we need to fix our own problems before setting out to “help” others.
March 25, 2007 at 11:33 am
The conflicts in Iraq started long before 2003, and a resolution, if there can be one, will take a long time and a lot of patience and sacrifice to achieve. I was opposed to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, but once the decision was made, it seemed to me that it was our obligation, as Americans, to do our best to support it. I asked California Peace Action to please never contact me again, because I didn’t want to be a part of undermining support for the president and the U.S. forces. Although I never considered the possibility of voting for President Bush and never understood why so many Americans actually decided to vote for him, I also do not understand why the people who originally supported the ill-advised decision to invade Iraq are unwilling to accept the real cost of making it a success.
March 25, 2007 at 11:36 am
Guy,
This just shows you that too many Mormons, especially in Utah, rely too much supposedly on the prophet for their political guidance rather than study the issues for themselves as we’ve been counseled to do. If Mormons in Utah would have look at the issue critically in 2002, they would have seen clearly how we were being deceived.
March 25, 2007 at 1:40 pm
Guy Murray said: “It’s true that, in general, LDS members are more conservative as a whole, but at one point the whole country backed this war and this president,” said Murray. “Over the years, the country has soured on this war, and Mormons may be just following the national trend.”
That’s not true. Many of us strongly supported the war in Afghanistan and just as strongly opposed George W’s ruthless and reckless attack on the Iraqi people. He lied to us and to the Congress to get his war, he needs to take responsibility for it and for all the horror it has produced.
March 25, 2007 at 1:56 pm
I think most LDS here in Utah still feel that patriotism demands that we support our country, regardless of incorrect decisions our leaders might make.
I think more people will begin to realize that the most _ethical_ and _patriotic_ thing to do is admit we were wrong, and re-evaluate the whole situation from scratch to determine what the best course of action is. “Flag waving” can blind us to the truth, as can unconditionally supporting our leaders. Dissent can indeed be patriotic and may actually be morally imperative. Most people believe the Founding Fathers were patriotic dissenters.
March 25, 2007 at 7:08 pm
“So, what would explain the drop?”
The Truth!
March 25, 2007 at 7:31 pm
There’s hope.
March 25, 2007 at 7:37 pm
Guy, LaPlante’s article is excellent, since he quotes extensively from you!
I wouldn’t worry too much about waning support among LDS members. Rather, I think the survey results just reflect the effects of a pessimistic attitude in general.
Things will work out — they always do. (Gordon B. Hinckley)
March 25, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Connor: We do have enough work to do here in our own country, before we go forth and make the world safe for democracy, or anything else for that matter.
Steve S. I’m not sure how pursuing peace is somehow undermining our troops. I think as the war has unfolded, and as more and more of the truth has come out about how the war was sold to the American people, it has become abundantly evident that we made a mistake. There is nothing dishonorable about admitting a mistake and taking steps to correct that mistake. Bringing out troops home is the right thing to do. It is what most Americans want their leaders to do.
Dan, I’m just grateful that now more and more Utah Mormons have had a change of heart— umm a phrase used over and over in the Book of Mormon.
jim, I don’t think you and I disagree here. Like you, and others, I supported the response to 911 in Afghanistan, and still do. In fact, that is likely where many of our troops ought to be redeployed, as it is clear the job was never finished over there.
Trevor, I agree . . .good points.
ed 42: Perhaps you are right.
Mark N. Hope, indeed.
Jim Cobabe, Well, he quotes from others more extensively, but certainly he has a sympathetic forum over here.
I’m not worried about waning support among LDS members. I’m rather, quite pleased to see it. Things do work out.
March 25, 2007 at 9:42 pm
How does the “Gallop poll” work? I never voted in any poll about wither I was for or against the war… if only a few of us voted, not all of us, than doesn’t that mean that the polls results are lopsided?
anyways, when the war first started I was shocked by Hinckly’s support of it, I thought he was wrong to support the war than, and I still think that now… I never supported the war, so here’s one LDS who’s views didn’t change over time
~~EK
March 25, 2007 at 10:37 pm
It is right to pursue peace, but it is wrong to pretend that moving out of the way to let somebody else do the killing on a grander scale is the same thing as peace. John McCain explains this very clearly.
March 26, 2007 at 8:10 am
Personally, I think Trevor is more on the money in describing the thought processes of many “Utah Mormons”. I think Dan, and Guy, are giving “Utah Mormons” too much credit in “following the Prophet.”
That being said, It takes them a while because honestly–they don’t pay as much attention to everything thats happening on the National Scene–and they are entrenched in their political and religious beliefs to really start questioning them–but its good to see they are coming around and finally starting to reflect the national numbers. thinking about politics and keeping up with the national current events? Many do, but the vast majority spend their time during the day doing other things. Its easy to say that the mainstream media is just showing us what Liberals want us to see…its harder to start digging in deeper–especially if it may rock your political philosphy and value system.
March 26, 2007 at 8:41 am
Let us keep this dialogue going. As a Latter-Day Saint and foremost trying to be a Christian, we should promote peace not war. “And again I say unto you, sue for peace, not only to the people that have smitten you, but also to all people; And lift up an ensign of peace, and make a proclamation of peace unto the ends of the earth;” (D&C 105:38-39)
This is our duty as members of the Christ’s restored Church. We are further admonished to “renounce war and proclaim peace” as written in 98th Section of D&C. The cannon also give us guide lines that we are only to go to war as a defense accompanied first to try reconcile our difference with our opposition.
I am a combat Viet Nam veteran and from my experiences I always thought there must be a better way to bring about justice and freedom other than war. There is nothing in LDS theology that we should invade a country when it was not a threat to US security as we did in the Iraq invasion. Right now we should seek a gradual with drawal from this conflict and work to more vigoriously for polictical resolution and a least give the Iraqi’s the resources to defend their fragile democracy.
Please e-mail directly also about my post to barttip@msn.com Also I am a member of Mormons for Equality and Social Justice, a group involved in secular issues coming with the Christ gospel as a context. Read below and for further information go MESJ.org
Mormons for Equality and Social Justice (MESJ) is a grassroots organization of Latter-day Saint individuals who are “anxiously engaged” (D&C 58:27) in working for the gospel values of peace, equality, justice, and wise stewardship of the earth in a spirit of Christ-like charity and concern. We do this (1) by raising awareness in Latter-day Saint communities of the inequalities and injustices that exist in the world today, (2) by actively participating in political processes to resolve these issues, and (3) by promoting and engaging in humanitarian service.
As Latter-day Saints, we come from a heritage of people who had “a vision of a different world, a world where injustice and oppression, poverty and ignorance would be dispelled and a world where men and women would be brothers and sisters” (Alexander B. Morrison, in Church News [14 Oct. 1995]: 4). We have been urged by Church leaders to work towards making that vision a reality in today’s world by being “full participants in political, governmental, and community affairs,” “using gospel principles as a guide and…cooperating with other like-minded individuals” (First Presidency letter, 15 Jan. 1998, in Ensign [Apr. 1998]: 77).
LDS scripture and prophetic teaching speak out strongly for social justice: for peace, equality, democracy, human rights, and wise stewardship of the earth’s resources. Latter-day Saints are enjoined to “plead the cause of the poor and the needy” (D&C 124:75) and to work towards a society in which “there [are] no poor among [us]” (Moses 7:18). We are challenged to “renounce war and proclaim peace” (D&C 98:16). The Book of Mormon teaches that “there should be an equality among all” (Mosiah 27:3) and calls us to stand against racism, gender inequity, and injustice on the principle that “black and white, bond and free, male and female;…all are alike unto God” (2 Nephi 26:33). The scriptures commend democracy, constitutional law, and human rights (Mosiah 29:26; D&C 98:5; D&C 101:77), while speaking harshly against inequity, exploitation, oppression, and violence (2 Nephi 20:1-2; 3 Nephi 24:5; D&C 38:26; Moses 8:28). Scripture teaches us that we are stewards of the earth and its resources, which should be used “with judgment, not to excess” (D&C 59:20).
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March 26, 2007 at 9:02 am
EelKat asks:
I think polls and surveys generally return the answers they are commissioned to give. Although our political representatives and media writers seem to put a lot of faith in such data, to me it always seems skewed just by the nature of framing inquiries on controversial topics. Perhaps the interviewer asks, “Don’t you think we ought to stop the war in Iraq, before more of our military people sacrifice their lives in this needless conflict?”. This kind of directed questioning shapes the possible answers. It is a subtle way of massaging the data.
The whole question about the “popularity” of a war is a horrifying consideration. It seems to equate what amounts to killing people and breaking things with the outcome of a sports event. “Popularity” is an awful quality to try to impose on warfare.
On the other hand, support for the difficult and unpleasant is often unquestionably necessary, though over time, even detached and otherwise disinterested observers will realize that fighting a war is never a “good” option.
It is only something you do when _not_ doing it will likely return an even more awful result.
March 28, 2007 at 12:11 pm
I am quite conservative, but I was not in favor of the war in Iraq from the beginning for two reasons. First I strongly suspected we would be in the mess we are in now after the main battles. We haven’t really won a war since WWII. I wonder why. Our military is not that incompetent. Maybe we should make the politicians back off after we get a war started.
Secondly, I have come to believe that most of our wars are for reasons other than the ones announced to the public. I get tired of seeing our youth maimed and killed for the undisclosed political manueverings of our government.