(Photo by Eric Gay AP)
The Salt Lake Tribune is reporting these facts from the hearing:
For an updated roundup of today’s hearing see Grits For Breakfast–great analysis and coverage as well.
Attorneys for the children have objected to en masse hearings on constitutional grounds, due process, as well as Texas law. I’ve discussed before that I agree with that rationale:
Attorneys ad litem appointed by the state to represent the children immediately objected to having a hearing for the children enmasse. That violates both their constitutional right to due process and Texas law, one attorney argued, as lawyers for each child have a right to be heard concerning their clients.
Judge Walther questioned that rationale, and said she has a plan that can handle the cases as a group or on an individual basis when it is necessary. She urged the attorneys to give it “a chance to get going.”
“It’s not a perfect solution and I wish I could give you a perfect solution, but there is not one,” she said. “If you will be patient, you will see we do have a plan and you will be able to represent your clients individually.”
I can understand that now Texas has created this mess, the Judge may be hesitant to agree to the individual hearings; however, I don’t see a valid constitutional way around that issue. But, I’ll reserve final judgment until I hear what her proposed “solution” is to that issue, when it arises.
Next in line was the proposed admission into evidence the medical records of three teenage girls. The judge then recessed the hearing to allow all counsel the opporunity to review the medical records. If the state is seeking to admit such evidence at this hearing, you can bet they will likely support the state’s case, and may in fact show these women may be pregnant or possibly other signs of abuse–depending on their age–such as sexual activity. It will be interesting to see the results of those records:
The state then called its first witness to the stand – an attorney who is the custodian of medical evidence gathered from FLDS children initially taken to a temporary shelter at Fort Concho. The state asked Walther to admit into evidence the medical records of three teenage girls, prompting the judge to order a recess to give all attorneys time to view the records at issue.
The Deseret News reports similar objections at the inception of the hearing:
SAN ANGELO, Texas — The hearing to determine the fate of 416 Fundamentalist LDS Church children taken into Texas state custody got off to a rocky start this morning, with guardian ad litem attorneys representing the children making a flurry of objections.
As the first case got under way, an increasingly impatient Judge Barbara Walther tried to counter the objections launched by attorneys.
Just minutes after the first case was introduced, a guardian ad litem attorney representing an 8-year-old girl said she objected to today’s hearing, saying it violated Texas state law governing child custody cases.
The attorney said there was a lack of due process. She was objecting to the format of the hearing and said today’s legal proceedings did not constitute a “full adversarial hearing.”
The objections came just moments after Ellen Griffith, an attorney representing the Department of Family and Protective Services, said she wanted genetic samples collected from each child and each parent in her case, a psychiatric exam and counseling for the children, and that the children be placed outside the five-county area that is within the jurisdiction of this court.
Again, I think that is a powerful objection, and is well grounded given the text of the Texas Family Law statutes I have previously quoted. Why even consider short circuiting the due process rights specifically outlined in the Texas statutes just because Texas finds itself in the untenable position of having removed 400 plus children from an entire community and is now faced with the legal requirements put in place by the Texas legislature long before the FLDS came to town. This is troubling.
Judge Walther’s response to the myriad of objections was essentially that the objections were wasting time and that they were premature:
The judge had yet to address the department attorney’s request because of the numerous objections.
“Your objections are a bit premature,” Walther said. “It’s not the appropriate time for any lawyer to be saying they’ve been denied any right.”
The judge said, by law, the hearing has to be held within 14 days of the children being taken into custody.
“It is not a perfect solution. … You will be able to represent your clients individually. … This is wasting time,” Walther said.
The judge went on to say she fully understands that every lawyer will make an objection, but added “let’s just see how this works. … I admit it’s not going to be perfect.”
Two quick comments:
1. Due process is never, ever a waste of time:
2. What she has in mind may not be perfect, as she concedes–but hey, it’s got to be fair.
Update 11:21 a.m. The Salt Lake Tribune now reports on further rulings by Judge Walther:
SAN ANGELO, Texas – A judge is now beginning to rule on the first volleys launched by attorneys in today’s court battle over more than 400 FLDS children taken into state custody – everything from requests for genetic testing to the admission of medical records for the sect’s teenage girls.
District Court Judge Barbara Walther has just approved a state request to admit medical evidence gathered from three teenage FLDS girls who were taken to a temporary shelter at Fort Concho.
The judge has also admitted records detailing church membership taken from a safe in the office of Richard Barlow at the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints YFZ Ranch on April 5. Objecting attorneys had asserted the documents were covered by a clergy privilege.
Walther has yet to rule on a request from an attorney representing the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services for genetic testing and psychiatric or psychological evaluations for the children and parents.
So, the medical records are in, and there may be a battle over church membership records. There is sitll the issue of genetic testing requested by the state. I’m pleased to see what appears to be aggressive representation by the attorneys for the children, and their objections to en masse representation based on due process grounds.
A hearing to determine who gets custody of more than 400 children kicked off Thursday amid confusion stemming from the number of children, parents and attorneys, and the process for handling the hearing.
Children and their attorneys are being called in groups designated by color, with each color representing a different age and sex of the child.
Some attorneys said they were having to use limited information in representing children, particularly young ones.
Lawyer Susan Hays, representing a toddler, said she arrived at the hearing without records and had no access to the child’s father.
She was using only “what we know from the mothers and what we know from the court file,” she said.
The state has the burden of demonstrating to Judge Walther why the removals were necessary.
Because the case is so large — 416 children represented by 350 volunteer attorneys, as well as lawyers for the parents — those involved are spread among multiple locations around town, linked by closed-circuit television to the courthouse.
“I’m not in a position to advocate for anything,” complained Susan Hays, the appointed attorney for a 2-year-old sect member.
The mothers in the primary courtroom were sworn in as witnesses, standing and mumbling their ‘I do’s’ in timid voices. As they sat silently, the flock of lawyers buzzed with murmurs and popped up to make motions or object as Walther tried to maintain order.
But when prosecutors tried to enter into evidence the medical records of three girls — two 17-year-olds and an 18-year-old — the lawyers jumped to their feet and crammed the aisles trying to see the papers. That’s when Walther called the recess.
The custody case is one of the largest in U.S. history and involves children from 6 months to 17 years in age. Roughly 100 of the children are under age 4.
State officials contend the children were being physically and sexually abused or were in imminent danger of such abuse.
FLDS members say the state is persecuting them for their faith and that their 1,700-acre Yearning for Zion Ranch, with its soaring white temple and log cabin-style houses, is simply a home isolated from a hostile and sinful world.
They deny children were abused.
“It’s the furthest thing away from what we do here,” said Dan, a sect member who spoke at the compound Wednesday but declined to give his last name because he fears how it will affect his children in state custody. “There’s nothing that’s more disliked and more trained against.”
A major issue will be how a home is defined — whether by the individual house each child lived in or by the larger ranch, said attorney Susan Hays, who represents a 2-year-old child. Under Texas law, if sexual abuse is occurring in a home and a parent does not stop it, then the parent can lose custodial rights.
The judge also must decide whether it’s in the best interest of children who have lived insulated lives to be suddenly placed into mainstream society, Hays said.
Typically, each child would be given a separate hearing, but given the number of cases, it’s likely the judge will have the state, the children’s attorneys and the parents’ attorneys make consolidated presentations, at least initially, said Harper Estes, president-elect of the state bar.
For live periodic updates check out this article from the San Angelo newspaper. The reporter provides updates, apparently as he is able to get them out on the paper’s site. One particular recent entry caught my attention:
3:45 p.m., SCHLEICHER COUNTY – Two Houston attorneys – Jason Castaneda and Damiane Curbey Danieh – are leaving the YFZ Ranch after meeting the mothers of their new ad litem clients being held in San Angelo.
Castaneda says, speaking of the court proceedings: “We expected it to be quicker.”
Danieh says, “They we unable to get to the real issue of probable cause.”
Danieh also notes: “Parents did not receive a copy of petition for removal, which is a big issue.”
The two say they went to the ranch in part to see for themselves whether allegations that the children had been living in unhealthy conditions were true.
They were not, both say.
Another shortcoming in the state’s case, Danieh says, is the lack of the 16-year-old whose complaint launched the entire case. Without the girl or further proof of allegations, she says, CPS doesn’t have much of a case. The two say they are flying back to Houston tonight. They’ll be back when their young clients have a court date, they say.
When I seen this, I feel much better about the eventual fate of these poor children. It is clear these ad litem attorneys are not just going to roll over and let the state abrogate the rights of these children. Something positive coming out of Texas–finally!
Assuming Texas meets its burden under the law, and any of these children are placed in foster care, the following news report on the Texas CPS and foster care system is very troubling. Frankly, any children found at risk for abuse, should be removed from the family in question and given to another FLDS family at the ranch. I remain unconvinced every single mother and father at the ranch are child abusers. If they find evidence of abuse, then the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted. It’s been two weeks now since the initial raid. If there were pervasive child abuse, or evidence of such abuse, it is curious why absolutely no arrests have been made. Is Texas simply allowing child abusers to roam free in West Texas, while all the children are locked up? What’s going on here?
And, to see this news report, the abuse perpetrated by Texas upon foster care children appears to be far worse. Hat tip Connor Boyack:
Continuing . . .

April 17, 2008 at 11:26 am
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8957324
April 17, 2008 at 11:33 am
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8957324
Why doesn’t it violate clerical privilege?
April 17, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Yes I’m concerned about that too. Although I’m not going to say it does violate clergy privilege, as I think that membership records might not be protected, but it just raised another issue in which we need to worry about precedent
April 17, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Not treating the cases individually is a big mistake. That will at a minimum make Texas look bad and at worse lead to a miscarriage of justice. I’ve been defending Texas but that’s just bad.
April 17, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Typically clerical privilege doesn’t cover sexual abuse. I believe most states have laws to that effect. Consider Catholic abuse cases for instance where the clergy were involved with the abuse.
April 17, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Actually it might depend on the type of clerical privilege.
The seal of the Confessional does apply to past cases of sexual abuse. I believe the laws usually state that it does not apply to ongoing cases of abuse.
In other words if a person confesses to abusing someone years ago, the clergyman is not bound by law to report it, or to testify.
However, if the abuse is ongoing when it is confessed the the law does not grant privilege.
At least that was my understanding.
What other kinds of clerical privilege there are I don’t know.
April 17, 2008 at 12:57 pm
well true it would not cover sexual abuse however if the use the imfo as evidence then the must prove sexual abuse of all 400 children. very unlikely all of these children were abused at all.there may be a few bad apples in the orchard but you dont just burn down all the trees.
April 17, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I work in dayton ohio as a remodeling contractor mainly for sect8 (hud) (landlords)
crack heaven if (cps) wants to get real and are going to start targeting entire comunities west dayton will be a great place to start (round m up)take all
April 17, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Guy would you please call or email me? (Sorry, I can’t find your email address on your site).
Matt Evans
matt *a*t timesandseasons.org
April 17, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Thanks for the continuing thorough coverage, Guy. I almost cannot stomach watching or reading about the whole issue anymore, but appreciate your regular updates and commentary.
April 17, 2008 at 1:41 pm
http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/17/live-from-the-courthouse-updates-on-flds-custody/
“She asked whether any of the “male respondents’ ” attorneys have a response”
Who’s hearing is it?
April 17, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Rick, but in this case it looks like they are primarily looking for dates to prove age, parentage and marriage. So it’s pretty hard to see how that could be covered by clerical privilege.
April 17, 2008 at 2:29 pm
What is really quite disgusting is the total indifference of the American people, over all, to this police state situation in ElDorado.
I really think that the government could round up every last Saint put all in the camps and Americans would be talking about American Idol.
April 17, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Also, while I don’t know anything about clerical privilege in Texas, I know that, in most, if not all, of the U.S., you don’t get attorney-client privilege just because you hand a document to your attorney. I imagine it’s the same here–just because clergy had the documents doesn’t, of itself, make them privileged.
April 17, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Someone needs to advise the defense attorneys that their immediate remedy is an application for writ of habeas corpus in federal court.
April 17, 2008 at 3:39 pm
mom2oneson, the hearing is for all of the parents of the children removed. While the FLDS have paraded mothers in front of the media to garner sympathy, the father’s parental rights are in jeopardy as well. If they would rather not come forward to speak on behalf of their children so as not to be identified as practicing bigamy illegally … well, how “pro-family” is that?
April 17, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Okay, forgive me, but who was lying to the sheriff’s deputies and the Texas Rangers when they asked to see “Sarah” and the men said there were no Sarahs living at the ranch. http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/17/live-from-the-courthouse-updates-on-flds-custody/ at 3:20PM entry.
However, when interviewing the girls individually, they described five Sarahs, 2 or 3 of which could have been the same person. See 3:50PM entry.
Where is Sarah? Why were the men lying and saying that there is no one there by that name (meaning now), but the girls said they remember seeing her in the week prior?
The FLDS are trying to cover something up, but it’s all coming out, now!
April 17, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Not everybody is sitting around talking about American Idol. Some of us are signing a petition in support of the FLDS. We think Texas just went too far on this one. If you agree, take a minute, and sign this petition. And please help us spread the word! http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/free-the-innocent-flds
April 17, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Um, Bullmoose, that page is no where to be found.
April 17, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Um, Bullmoose, that page is no where to be found.
April 17, 2008 at 4:39 pm
But the same info can apparently be found here.
April 17, 2008 at 4:48 pm
i signed mary t/y for careing about human rights
April 17, 2008 at 5:03 pm
It’s obvious that the FLDS is trying to cover up the polygamy- seeing as Texas is threatening to prosecute them for bigamy.
I don’t think much of a state effort to convict someone of abuse that is dependent on preventing a people from testifying to their innocence because if they do they will incriminate themselves of another crime that is regularly tolerated in the rest of society but not by these specific people.
April 17, 2008 at 6:11 pm
#13 – I couldn’t agree more!
I’m married (an LDS temple marriage) to a most remarkable ex-FLDS woman whose oldest two children remain of that faith. They are two wonderful people with wonderful spouses, any of whom I would trust with my life. They are loving and caring parents of their own children (18 between the two).
My wife is the oldest of 13 FLDS siblings. I know them all, and everyone strives to be good, honest, hardworking people.
It breaks my heart how Americans in general don’t seem to really care about the rights of polygamist believers. No wonder Texas officials will likely get away with what I consider shocking and abusive actions. I can’t sleep nights wondering what it would be like if the FLDS faithful I know and respect had their children suddenly taken away!
I’m really beginning to detest my own country, and I can’t help but think the Second Coming of Christ will take place soon!
April 17, 2008 at 7:34 pm
It is amazing how people do not take time to really talk about what they know and understand. This is not about punishing someone for their faith or punishing someone for their polygamist beliefs. Take if from someone who knows, the individuals within CPS and law enforcement in Texas could careless if someone chooses to live in plural marriages. This is simply about CHILD RAPE. That is the most sinful, immoral, disgusting thing that any individual rather male or female can do.
If all the individuals living on the “ranch” were people who truly cared about the welfare of children, they would not allow 13 or 14 year old CHILDREN to get married and be forced to have sex with OLD men and bear numerous children before their bodies even have a chance to mature into a real adult.
THIS IS ABOUT CHILD RAPE!!!!! NOBODY CARES IF YOU CHOSE TO HAVE NUMEROUS SPOUSES!!!!THIS IS ABOUT CHILDREN AND THOSE CHILDLREN BEING VIOLATED!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 17, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Bull Moose. It was worse than that.
That last bit is very, very bad. I hope it’s not true and there is some confusion and that initial call was fraudulent like many here have suggested. Because the alternative is too tragic to consider.
April 17, 2008 at 9:12 pm
What is going on with the concern about time limits on the state’s side of things? What happens to the state if the hearing is not done in 14 days?
April 17, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Sarah is *very* a common name of Christian girls. It is a retreat center, maybe they remembered a Sarah who visited and left? How do they know the girls were talking about Sarah the investigators were seeking? They could have told 2 girls it was Sarah with brown hair and 2 girls it was Sara with blond hair and one group said We know her.
Remember that teenage girls are usually positive when speaking of other girls. I can totally see them smiling and saying Oh Sarah to them when asked about her(like she was a close friend) even if it was a girl they faintly remembered who they met once or twice.
April 17, 2008 at 10:01 pm
It disgusts me to hear people actually defend the FLDS – these are a group of dirty old men who force sex on little girls. The FLDS is disgusting and they hide behind religion. They are no more religious than Satan himself. Since when was it legal for a 50 year old man to marry, rape, and beat his 16 year old wife? Stop feeling sorry for the mothers [edited] Girls as young as 13 years old are forced to marry and have sex with these greedy, dirty old men [edited]. Isn’t it our obligation to protect those who can’t protect themselves? Why is everyone so concerned with the rights of the FLDS instead of the children [edited]? They actually tell these kids they are going to hell if they don’t follow the beliefs of the FLDS. The state of Texas is dealing with some sick individuals and I applaud them for doing the right thing.
April 17, 2008 at 10:22 pm
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8957324
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8941294
Wouldn’t they notice a young lady with broken ribs in a group sleeping area? They hurt for a long time. It’s impossible to sleep comfortably, a nursing baby that age who moves and kicks would make it more painful. I think someone would have noticed her difficulty in getting up and down and needing to sleep on one side with pillows and having to position the baby with a blanket or pillow to protect her ribs.
April 17, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Authorities believe they have found Sarah. Her real name is Rozita Swinson and she is 33.
http://www.krdotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8184795
April 17, 2008 at 10:55 pm
#29 (Pam) – You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about when you cast an entire culture into one pot. Granted, I know of many things I don’t like about the FLDS culture, yet there is so very much good among those people as well! They aren’t some sub-species behaving like wild apes, but they are human beings who love and care deeply about their children. They are, for the most part, a very honest, hardworking people who sincerely believe in their religion.
Like all humankind, there is bad with the good. But so many outrageous accusations are heard against these people that it greatly offends me when society seems to think like you, thereby not caring that these people’s rights are being violated.
April 18, 2008 at 12:53 am
More business for baptist social service agencies:
http://www.abpnews.com/3120.article
April 18, 2008 at 12:56 am
TEXAS BAPTISTS RESCUE ABUSED FLDS CHILDREN
April 18, 2008 at 1:04 am
http://www.bcfs.net/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=581&srcid=183
This is another article about the umbrella baptist social service agency.
April 18, 2008 at 1:23 am
More business for baptist social service agencies:
http://www.abpnews.com/3120.article
http://www.bcfs.net/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=581&srcid=183
http://www.bcfs.net/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=597&srcid=594
http://www.bcfs.net/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=583&srcid=194
Why is the school district involved?
April 18, 2008 at 3:57 am
From the top comments… I thought I read that the documents from the safe were volunterily given to the authorites….so if things are given up then are they still protected by any measure of clergy priviledge?
April 18, 2008 at 4:20 am
For Pam,
I 100% support your comment. (#29)
I also support “think” comment (#25)
This is about kids. I think plural marriage is wrong, but if consenting adults choose to live together in a familial manner and break no laws (other than polygamy) I don’t care. Mainstream America does it all the time. Its just called having a mistress or having an affair… but none of those people go to jail….
People go to jail for child abuse, rape, and horrible things like that.
It has been documented that those who do not exact out all they are told to do by church leaders are punished. So is it really a far stretch to believe that the vast majority of the adults (men and women) would be involved in the abuse and its cover up?
I fear “sarah” has been killed or at the very least has been moved to another compound somewhere and is being severly abused for blowing the whistle on this group.
and as another person stated before, this phone call from sarah was not the only thing that promped this… the FLDS have been under investigation for some time. Her phone call is just the straw that broke the camel’s back so to speak…
April 18, 2008 at 4:47 am
Wow,
It seems the “Phantom Caller Sarah” to the Texas CPS was a hoax.
See:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61963
April 18, 2008 at 4:57 am
My niece recently moved here from K.Y. with her baby and has no idea who the father is as she had many encounters with men.So she must believe that is acceptable (should her baby be taken away becouse of this)Same has happened with many others in the U.S. so if we are to take all of these children acctually any that were born out of wedlock.
hmmm were will they all go there must me millions.i am reffering to cps supervisor
testimony that the children are in danger becouse of flds belief that poly or under age marriage is acceptable.Also my 16 year old daughter could get pregnant (I certainly hope not) but should cps come get her just in case she might?should I go to jail if i tell her i would still love her if she did?To speculate that something may occure is very irresponsibe for the state of texas.This occures every day in every nieborhood and almost every family in america. Again go after all these parents sitting in there living room with a crack pipe while there babies are running around the house as im trying to repair there plumbing in the govt. subsidized homes. i see it every day
April 18, 2008 at 5:00 am
Pam and Tiff,
If it is about child rape then we should be haveing a RAPE TRIAL for the child that was raped.I dought 400 kids where raped.
April 18, 2008 at 5:26 am
Here’s another story on the “phantom caller Sarah” hoax:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,5143,695271689,00.html
April 18, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Abuses ……of children, adult women, wefare system (US taxpayer).. I can’t believe that in the USA, we allow an Organized Welfare Religious Income Generating scheme hiding behind a inhumane traditions described as a non-profit Religion. This society lives off of the USA taxpayer, yet it wants to be private. The women have no intention to work in the real world and pay taxes. The taxpayer already supports this organization whether the mothers have their children or not.
The men are not accepting any responsibility. The Religious practice would cease to exist if the men breeding the females would be required to pay child support. Ask the men who believe in this …..are they willing to pay child support for their children to continue their practice. Unfortunately, they are able to continue because our system of govt is willing to continue to pay these women not to Work…while allowing the men breeding them to pool the finances …..receive grants….etc. to build the very so called private society…..FUNDED BY PUBLIC MONIES….
WHAT A SCAM AND OUTRAGE…. THE MEN OWE THE US TAXPAYER AND CHILD SUPPORT.. AND TRAINING ….AND MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTHCARE FOR THESE WOMEN AND CHILDREN….. MAKE THEM MEN PAY OR PUT THEM AWAY…..
April 21, 2008 at 9:56 pm
The Judge appointed guardians ad litem to represent the childrens’ interests and rights, then fails and refuses to allow those same attorneys the right to represent their client’s position. Judge Walther sorely deserves to be ethically sanctioned since the rights she is depriving the parties are so basic and obvious, such as the right to a judicial hearing prior to impinging upon fundamental constitutional rights. This Judge’s arbitrary and capricious rulings are the precise reason federal judges are appointed for life, and not subjected to political pressures. She says she is a “simple, small-town judge”, a half truth, since she is a “simple small-town politically-motivated judge” History will remember her as a chief actor in what is unfolding as the dacades biggest constitutional rights disaster, and one she could have prevented. No one gets out of law school this foolish, so her conducting of the hearing can only be viewed as intentional and self-motivated. Imagine having your child or children removed and not being allowed to participate in the hearing to determine if the removal was proper. Immagine being jailed without bond, then denied the right to call witnesses or cross examine your accuser.
And imagine if those rights were ignored purly for political gain and self interest. So much for her oath of office and oath when sworn in as an attorney before the Courts of Texas. She has traded in her professionalism, oath, and ethics for public approval. Karmic backlash ahead. Shame on her; she is a disgrace to the practice of law and judicial ethics, and not so deep down, she knows it.
April 22, 2008 at 5:47 pm
I saw a woman crying and asking “where are the American People”? I cried. It is now too late for everyone. The government is too big and too powerful. The magic of our country is gone. I no longer believe our government consist of good people trying to do the right thing. These people are being persecuted right before are very eyes by the government and the national media. The Media!!! Making jokes about these fellow Americans. I know nothing about them or their faith; however, lets not forget, these are Americans!! These are our people. Shame on anyone who treats them as less than human. Shame on anyone who hurts those children by separating them from their mothers. I’m angry. What makes these government officials, especially in Texas of all places, believe they actually deserve the benefit of the doubt? I never thought I would say this…thank god for the ACLU!!!! I don’t believe a 16 year old girl called at all. This is a poison tree. Everything that grows hereinafter is tainted. Give to, and support these people. Your kids could be next. Let me know what I can do here in Florida. Give those babies back to their mothers! This is child abuse at the hands of our government and as an American, I will not support it under any circumstances. Ronald E. Arcaro, Jr.- Clearwater, Florida- and no religious affiliation!
April 22, 2008 at 5:56 pm
AND……..SHAME ON ANYONE WHO JUSTIFIES THE HARMING OF THESE CHILDREN BECAUSE OF MONEY OR WELFAIR. ATTACKING THESE PEOPLE WILL NOT EVEN TOUCH OR EVEN BEGIN THE PROBLEMS WITH YOUR TAX MONEY IN THIS COUNTRY! WHEN MONEY MEENS MORE THAN AMERICAN CHILDREN, YOUR VALUE SYATEM IS SERIOUSLY WARPED. AND DR. PHIL, BILL ORILEY, NANCY GRACE….YOU ARE WORST THIS COUNTRY HAS TO OFFER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SARCASIM AND YOUR ATTEMPT TO CONVICT THESE PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF A COURT OF LAW. ONLY THE SMALL, MINDLESS AND ALOOF COULD POSSABLY WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY REGARDING THIS.