FLDS Leader Warren Jeffs (see here and here) was arrested in Las Vegas, Nevada, apparently in a routine traffic stop. Despite NO connection to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, CNN anchor Daryn Kagan continues to point out that obvious fact to the CNN audience: namely there is no connection to Mr. Jeffs and the “Mormon” Church. Why she and the CNN reporters feel that is necessary is ridiculous.
CNN’s live satellite cast continues with heavy Jeffs’ coverage. Different versions on the how of this arrest have been reported. One is that Jeffs supposedly rolled through a stop sign or light. Another is that he was stopped for a registration infraction. I’m just curious . . .but if I’m on the FBI’s top ten wanted list, and I choose to drive, aren’t I going to make certain the registration tags are current, and that I’m obeying all applicable traffic laws? Wow!
Most major news outlets are now publishing the AP story, which is in most of the links below. Very cute line by Daryn Kagan now . . .what happens in Vegas this time will not stay in Vegas . . . very nice 😉
Interesting commentary just now from CNN’s Anderson Cooper that previous FLDS doctrine stated that one did not need a “temple” for polygamous marriage or to get to heaven; however, there was an apparent change in that doctrine with the construction of the new FLDS temple in Texas. Expect heavy coverage from Anderson Cooper on this story tonight on his show as he has covered the FLDS story and polygamy extensively in the past. I’m curious on this aspect. If anyone has references to FLDS doctrine on polygamy, temple worship and the nexus between the two I’d be very interested.
The Salt Lake Tribune’s coverage is by far the best and most indepth–which I think is to be expected. Good job Tribune! It goes well beyond the AP story and reflects their own writing, input, research and analyis. The Tribune reports the traffic stop for temporary registration tags. This still boggles the mind. I guess when you get a bit too comfortable on the run, you begin to make some mistakes.
The New York Times is now reporting their own version of this story (not just running the initial AP story). Their headline is the best reporting I’ve seen so far at least as far as the headline goes–” Man Near Top of Most-Wanted List Is Captured” There’s no polygamy or LDS or FLDS fluff in their headline. After all Mr. Jeffs is wanted not because he’s a polygamist or his association with the FLDS church or non-association with the LDS Church. Congratulations to The New York Times for good objective reporting on this story!
Let me add, that the words “Mormon” or “LDS” don’t even appear in this article–so it is possible to report on a story about Warren Jeffs without association to the Mormon Church. Good for the New York Times.
Update: 11:00 a.m. The Deseret News’ updated article (link below) reports on the some of the contents of the vehicle included:
LAS VEGAS — When fugitive Warren Jeffs was stopped north of here late Monday, officers impounded his red SUV and seized a number of items that will most likely bolster authorities’ suspicions he employed a number of tricks to stay in hiding.
A KXNT news radio reporter present at the seizure of Jeffs’s vehicle relayed to other media that a curious assortment of items were discovered in the police stop.
Among them:
• 27 stacks of money each containing $2,500
• Two female wigs — blond and brunette
• 14 cell phones
• Two GPS navigation units
• A Book of Mormon
• A picture of Warren Jeffs and his father, Rulon.
It’s so good to know he kept a copy of the Book of Mormon handy as he was a fugitive from federal and state justice. Then there are the two female whigs–I’m not sure I’m even going to go there. There are three news conferences ongoing at this moment, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, and somewhere in Arizona.
The Deseret News also reports on the potential impact of Jeffs’ arrest on FLDS faithful:
If Jeffs fights extradition, Utah and Arizona authorities would have to get a governor’s warrant to bring him back. If he waives extradition, Smith said he would appear in court in St. George, Utah and Kingman, Ariz. Coincidentally, one of Jeffs’ followers is going on trial in Kingman today, accused of marrying a 16-year-old girl as his second wife. It was a union that was arranged by Warren Jeffs, the man considered “prophet” by the Fundamentalist LDS Church.
Law enforcement called the arrest of Jeffs “good news” but remained leery of potential fall-out and turmoil within the polygamous border towns of Hildale, Utah and Colorado City, Ariz.
“Hopefully, we can get some resolution to the process so that Mr. Jeffs and his followers are going to get on with their lives,” said Washington County Sheriff Kirk Smith.In Hildale today, Smith ordered increased patrols from his deputies to keep an eye out for any problems. At the FLDS Church’s enclave in Eldorado, Texas, Schleicher County Sheriff David Doran said he broke the news of Jeffs’ arrest to faithful followers there.
“It was very somber,” he told the Deseret Morning News. “It was hard news for them to swallow.”
Doran said he planned to fly over the FLDS Church’s sprawling ranch sometime today to make sure there was no trouble. On the YFZ Ranch, the FLDS Church has an enormous temple that is believed to have been recently completed. YFZ stands for “Yearning for Zion,” after a song Jeffs wrote.
In addition to its headquarters in Hildale and Colorado City, the FLDS Church is believed to have enclaves in Texas, South Dakota, Colorado, British Columbia (Canada) and Nevada. Recently, many FLDS-linked businesses have begun relocating to Nevada. Several construction businesses were setting up in the Mesquite area. A major manufacturer from Hildale had relocated to Las Vegas.
Though the circumstances are far different, at least from the perspective of the faithful FLDS, I’m certain they have similar feelings and thoughts as some of the early saints when many of the brethren were either arrested or forced underground. It is, I confess, not a perspective I have really considered.
OFFICIAL LDS CHURCH RESPONSE
Update 11:10 a.m. Hat tip to Justin from the Wasp. The Church has an official response on their website here, where the Church once again for the umpteenth time points out some of the more obvious but overlooked issues when these types of discussions about polygamy, Warren Jeffs and the FLDS church arise:
Warren Jeffs Is Not a Mormon
Warren Jeffs is not a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and never has been.
There Is No Such Thing as a “Mormon Fundamentalist” or “Mormon Sect”
The term “Mormon” is a nickname commonly applied to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There is no such thing as a “Mormon fundamentalist,” nor are there “Mormon sects.” A correct term to describe these polygamist groups is “polygamist sects.” The inclusion of the word “Mormon” is misleading and inaccurate.The Associated Press Stylebook states, “The term Mormon is not properly applied to the other Latter Day Saints churches that resulted from the split after [Joseph] Smith’s death.”
The Church also noted that it was pleased CNN and Fox News pointed out the distinction between Jeffs’ organization and the Mormon Church; however, as I commented below at one point on CNN that became the focus of the story, rather than Jeffs’ arrest itself.
With Jeffs’ arrest, the question naturally arises, what are HBO’s writers going to do with the Roman Grant character in Big Love? This could have a big time impact on polygamy’s fantasy world–or not. 😉
Update 3:00 p.m. Reuters is now reporting an updated version of the story, including a bit more detail on the actual capture of Jeffs:
Jeffs was stopped about 6 miles north of Las Vegas by a Highway Patrol officer on Monday night for improperly displayed license plates on the sport utility vehicle he was riding in, and the patrolman recognized Jeffs.
The officer called for backup from the Highway Patrol’s homeland security team, and FBI agents also were summoned, George Togliatti, Nevada’s director of public safety, told reporters in Las Vegas.
When initially questioned at the scene, Jeffs gave officers an alias but acknowledged his true identity when confronted further, according to Togliatti and officials at two other news conferences in Arizona and Utah.
“Mr. Jeffs was cordial, although he was uncooperative,” FBI special agent John Lewis said at a news conference in Phoenix, adding that Jeffs complained that he was the victim “of what he termed religious persecution.”
No weapons were found in their SUV. But authorities seized at least $54,000 in cash, 15 cell phones, four portable radios, four laptop computers, three wigs, a collection of sunglasses, a police scanner, a GPS device and a duffel bag believed to contain additional cash, Lewis said. They also found numerous merchandise gift cards worth about $10,000.
I guess another question for me that arises, is if you are the leader of a polygamist sect, why do you need 15 cell phones? Do you get one for each wife? 😉 The details of this story as they unfold are likely to become even more bizzare. Another concern I have is about the potential witnesses in his criminal trial. In other sexual crimes trials involving polygamists the authorities have sometimes had difficulty in their prosecutions. It will be interesting to see how this angle plays out.
This is supposedly the Cadillac Escalade in which Jeff’s was riding/driving at the time of his arrest. I’m assuming riding rather than driving. Clearly there are no tags on the front. There is no photo so far of the rear. Regardess, I still can’t get my mind around how careless this mistake was. Given the price of new Cadillac Escalade’s it’s clear Jeffs was using his followers money to the hilt.
Update 6:00 p.m. This story from Court TV News is exactly the type of problem I mentioned about prosecution witnesses in these trials getting cold feet:
KINGMAN, Ariz. — Hours after the announcement of Warren Jeffs’ capture, a young woman who has said the fundamentalist Mormon leader forced her into a polygamous marriage when she was a teenager stunned a courtroom here Tuesday morning by refusing to testify about the union.
Candi Shapley, a former member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, would not explain her decision not to answer questions at the statutory rape trial of a Jeffs associate, but authorities suggested the timing of the church leader’s arrest and the influence of her parents, who remain members of the FDLS, were to blame.
“I believe she is being put under a lot of pressure by Warren Jeffs’ supporters, including those within her own family, not to testify,” said Mohave County attorney Matt Smith.
The trial judge found Shapley, 20, in contempt of court and ordered her held in a shelter for domestic violence victims until she was prepared to answer questions about Randolph Barlow, the man she has said took her as a second wife when she was 16 and he 28. Superior Court Judge Steven Conn capped her confinement at 30 days.
In this particular case it appeared that the young girl’s mother was the intimidating personality giving Shapley second thoughts about testifying in court:
For four minutes, Shapley answered the prosecutor’s questions about her age, her twin daughters and her education. During that time, her mother abruptly rose from her seat behind the defense table and crossed the courtroom to sit in the gallery directly facing the witness stand. Smith then began asking questions about March 2002, the month Shapley married Barlow, and the witness suddenly refused to answer.
Tucking her long, red curls behind her ears and staring at the prosecutor, she said, “I have nothing else to say.”
Smith appeared confused and continued with the questioning, asking, “Do you remember your father talking to you about the fact you were going to be getting married the next day?”
“I have nothing else to say,” Shapley replied, glaring at him.
When the prosecutor asked her to clarify her position, she said, “I am not willing to answer any more questions.”
Her mouth quivered as she gave variations of that answer to Smith and, later, the judge.
Shapley’s refusal to testify was a blow to the prosecution of both Barlow and Jeffs. Without her testimony, there is little evidence against Barlow, and two of the four counts of statutory rape and conspiracy that Jeffs faces in Arizona are based on her grand jury account.
A lawyer for Barlow, Bruce Griffen, objected to the delay in the trial and said he would ask for a dismissal of the charges at the next hearing in the case, now scheduled for Sept. 26.
Shapley was for a time an outspoken witness for the prosecution, even appearing on “Good Morning, America” to describe her case.
Barlow is the second of eight FLDS men prosecuted this year in an attempt by Arizona authorities to rein in polygamous marriage to minors in the border community of Hildale.
This is simply amazing–the power of persuasion this religious sect has even over its former members. It reminds me of the scene in Godfather II where the witness mobster’s brother from Sicily shows up at the Senate hearing on the Mafia. Upon seeing his brother from home, the imunized mob witness then abruptly changes his story. So, how easy will a Warren Jeffs prosecution be?
A copy of Shapley’s grand jury testimony is here.
CNN’s Larry King devoted half his program to the story. One of the more interesting exchanges was between Larry and his guest Pennie Petersen a former FLDS member until 14 years of age:
KING: Did you have services every Sunday?
PETERSEN: Yes. Every Sunday and on Wednesdays there’s home evening. So you have services quite often.
KING: Did you feel you were a Mormon?
PETERSEN: Pardon me?
KING: Did you feel you were a Mormon?
PETERSEN: Did I feel I was a Mormon? No. I felt that I was — no. Because the Mormons, the polygamists don’t like the Mormons. They think that the Mormons gave in to the state. So we actually were taught to hate the Mormons because they didn’t hold up to the agreement of God.
KING: Are you now a Mormon?
PETERSEN: No, I am not.
It doesn’t sound like the FLDS followers care to be associated with the Church or Mormonism.
Update 9:00 p.m. Well it looks like I sang Praise to The Times, just a bit too soon. Their Wednesday morning Internet edition has a story rife with the errors so obviously missing from the first New York Times story (both are now linked below). The second story’s headline is much worse, using Mormon as an adjective describing the Jeffs as the leader of a polygamist Mormon sect. How disappointing after such a good start this morning at the Times when the story broke. What kind of editing process is going on over there at the Times?
Regardless they have a nice money quote on the polygamy association issue in the second article:
Legal scholars say the crackdown came in part because mainstream Mormons have grown increasingly tired of the lingering association with polygamy.
“Many contemporary Mormons complain that everybody associates them with polygamy, and in fact they’re the most antipolygamy people you could meet,” said Sarah Barringer Gordon, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania Law School who teaches religious history and the law of church and state.
Ironically it was the Times first article this morning that actually helped distance the Church from Polygamy.
News coverage
(Note the KSL News site has some very interesting photos taken of the Jeffs’ vehicle, particularly of the contents).
CNN Larry King Live Transcript
Messenger and Advocate 
August 29, 2006 at 8:02 am
So … when CNN reports the arrest of a fugitive who is the leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, you would prefer that CNN not clarify which better known church with a very similar name he is not associated with?
August 29, 2006 at 8:10 am
John, you make a good point, which I will concede; however, I don’t know whether you listened to Daryn’s reporting on CNN earlier–but her reporting on the subject was beyond the mere disclaimer. It was almost surreal. The gist of it was reporting the fact there was no connection as though that were the story. Even KSL’s story has the disclaimer. Fine. One blurb and that’s enough. But to have an entire dialogue with the anchor and reporter about that very issue, and then have the reporter remind Daryn that he tries to keep his reporting focus on Warren Jeffs rather than the fact there is no connection between Jeffs and the LDS Church is a little much. Thanks for stopping by.
August 29, 2006 at 8:17 am
I noticed that KSL struck “Mormon” from the AP story’s lead description of Jeffs as the “fugitive leader of a polygamist Mormon sect.”
August 29, 2006 at 8:19 am
Looks like the CNN report did the same.
August 29, 2006 at 8:29 am
Justin, Good catch! Thanks for pointing it out! Kudos to CNN and KSL.
August 29, 2006 at 9:13 am
Unfortunately, people still don’t get it that there is a difference, so some kind of disclaimer, I think, is still needed. At the same time, it’s good that it’s not the focus of the story.
August 29, 2006 at 9:16 am
I guess it depends on how you define Mormon. I’m not convinced our church holds a monopoly on the term.
August 29, 2006 at 9:58 am
Nice details, Guy. The story was all over the talk radio show “Handel on the News” this morning in less than flattering terms for mainstream LDS. The media fallout on this will not be good.
August 29, 2006 at 10:53 am
Dave, Thanks for this input on how it played on Los Angeles Radio. Was it Handel who fueled the “less than flattering part?” I can just imagine.
For the uninitiated, one of the local KFI (Los Angeles) talk radio boys, Bill Handel is a rather obnoxious early morning drive time D.J. Way back when (long before he became even more obnoxious on KFI) I took a law school course from Bill Handel at Whittier College School of Law. He was pretty bombastic back then.
I wish I would have thought to tune him in.
August 29, 2006 at 11:48 am
Guy, no I didn’t listen to CNN. So, it was more of an amazing twist than a clarification? (“He’s a polygamist, but he’s not part of the LDS church!)
August 29, 2006 at 12:12 pm
John, It was more of hijacking the story from the Jeffs arrest to a full on disclosure and re-disclosure and re-disclosure of the Church and Warren Jeffs and how they aren’t connected.
By the time you get through this many disclosures I think you’ve defeated the purpose. I still think the New York Times story has the best reporting style. They are somehow able to report on Jeffs’ arrest, and at the same time not even mention the Church. They do so in such a way that there is no possible connection between Jeffs and the Church. That’s really the point I’m making.
August 29, 2006 at 12:22 pm
NPR’s Day to Day just broadcasted this story. Heavy on the pedophilia angle.
August 29, 2006 at 12:28 pm
J. Stapley, Thanks for the NPR link. I’ve added it to the ones above. I’ll try and listen to it later tonight. I can just imagine the pedophilia angle already.
August 29, 2006 at 12:35 pm
BREAKING NEWS: Warren Jeffs Arrested in Vegas
This story just broke this morning. I’m sure more details will be released later. Check out Guy Murray’s web blog, Messenger and Advocate, for detailed coverage, analysis and comments.
August 29, 2006 at 1:29 pm
I’m glad to see he was caught. Out here on the east coast (or at least in PA), not much yet on this subject, but I’ve been here at work the whole day. I’ll convey later on how this news was received locally here.
August 29, 2006 at 1:38 pm
I don’t understand why we try to insist on the silly notion that Jeffs and the FLDS have “no connection” to the LDS church. They are distinct from mainstream Mormonism, but they obviously have a connection to it in terms of history as well as doctrine. I don’t see any reason why their movement shouldn’t be described as “Mormon,” since it clearly is one small part of the larger Mormon phenomena. It reminds me a little of people who insist that Mormons are not Christian.
August 29, 2006 at 7:48 pm
Dan, I’d be interested in how it plays back east–where their history is not so well known.
Ed, I don’t agree with you that it is a silly notion to insist that Warren Jeffs has no connection to the LDS Church. The Church itself makes that point very clear on its website today, and has in the past as well. Warren Jeffs is not now, and has never been a member of the LDS Church. The main stream media has gone out of its way to make the distinction and reinforce the notion that there is no connection.
None of the commentors or posts I have read over the last several months about the FLDS or polygamy claims there is a connection to the LDS Church.
The FLDS Church may have at one time broken off from the LDS Church; but, I don’t see how that gives them any current connection to the current LDS Church.
I fail to see how your analogy holds up. Being a Christian is a much broader category of classification than say being “Mormon” or even Baptist or Methodist. If I adhere to the theology and doctrine of the Methodist Church I am most certainly not a Baptist, Catholic, Mormon or even Athiest. If I adhere to the doctrine (whatever it might be) of the FLDS Church how am I Mormon–or vice versa?
In Larry King’s interview tonight with an FLDS member he tried to push the Mormon connection you suggest. She outright rejected any affiliation or connection to the Mormon Church. In fact she responded that the FLDS are actually taught to hate the LDS. I will post his transcript once it is available.
Sorry–I just don’t see any current connection at all. And, I don’t think you get to go back over 100 years and pull the connection out of a breakup. By definition a breakup means no further connection.
August 29, 2006 at 8:23 pm
Guy,
I can’t speak for other stations, but on WNEP just now they gave a simple straight forward news release, showing the same picture you have above, never once saying “Mormon” in their bit, and calling him the leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It was presented in the second half of the news half-hour, after the Weather and just after the Karr story out of Denver.
Basically this is not a big story out here.
August 29, 2006 at 8:30 pm
Dan, Thanks for the update. That was about what I had expected. I’m pleased to hear how they handled the “mormon” thing.
August 29, 2006 at 9:02 pm
Well, I couldn’t be happier. One less lowlife out on the streets is good news, and especially good news to us when the lowlife claims to get trace his religious authority back to Joseph Smith.
Thanks for the detailed updates.
August 29, 2006 at 9:13 pm
Good point DKL, one on which we are both in absolute agreement.
August 30, 2006 at 6:32 pm
Guy,
Perhaps no connection, in the sense that they are not affiliated or in communication. But what about the doctrinal angle that is suggested by Ed? They follow the Book of Mormon, and they were part of the Church when it first acquired the nickname Mormon, right?
I would say a Christian is someone who accepts the New Testament as canonical (and Christ as the Messiah), and a Mormon is someone who believes in the Book of Mormon. Clarification may be needed, and distinctions may need to be addressed, but that doesn’t mean that ‘fundamentalist Mormons’ is an oxymoron. Should Baptists be distinguished from Branch Davidians? Yes, but they’re both Christian. Should mainstream LDS members be distinguished from fundamentalists? Yes, but they’re both Mormon.
–APJ
August 30, 2006 at 9:42 pm
APJ, I think the strongest argument I can make that there is no connection is that the FLDS do not consider themselves connected to the “Mormon” Church, nor do they consider themselves Mormon or want to be so identified. This comes from the interview on Larry King last night, the transcript of which I posted above, and included the quote from the interview in the main post. It sounded very clear to me they don’t consider themselves connected to or a part of the “Mormon” Church.
Similarity in some doctrine does not make one connected to the Church any more than similarity in our doctrine makes us connected to another–other than as I think you rightly point out we can all, Baptist, Mormon, Methodist, Catholic, etc., etc. be considered Christian.
It seems to me that those who want to make some connection to the Church and the FLDS church are some who are not actually part of that faith. I just don’t read or hear about members of the FLDS faith to consider themselves connected to our Church.
In the final analysis I think the Church has the right to determine who is or who is not a Mormon. I don’t understand why some will not afford the Church this right. We could probably discuss forever the finer points on how much doctrine one must believe to be a Mormon. Certainly a belief in the Book of Mormon would likely be a prerequisite; but, is it alone enough? I don’t think so–others may.
Bottom line, is that I afford the Church the absolute right to determine who is or who is not Mormon. Just as I afford the Catholic Church the right to determine who is Catholic, or a Protestant congregation to determine who is their version of the Protestant expression of faith. Which brings up the question–at one time Catholics and Protestants once held common beliefs, then there was a split. Are Catholics now able to be considered Protestants? They both believe in the Bible, and at one time were members of a common Church–the Catholic Church.
I respect your right or others their right to believe what they want in terms of who is or who isn’t a Mormon. But, in the final analysis I think what carries more weight is whether the Church (Mormon) considers a person a Mormon, and whether in fact that person themselves so consider. In the case of the FLDS members, it doesn’t appear either the Church or the FLDS church considers there to be any real connection.
September 1, 2006 at 6:25 am
Thanks for the thorough and insightful coverage.
For some other discussion on the use of the term “Mormon” in conjunction with non-LDS persons, see
http://www.purimblog.org/2006/05/the_semantics_o.html
September 1, 2006 at 9:10 am
One thing that bothers me about the coverage is that FLDS is represented as a remnant mormon offshoot that continued to practice polygamy in spite of the church’s abandonment. In fact, the current fundamentalist groups in Utah were all founded later than the 1926 (the year that Lorin Wooley began making fantastic claims about an ordination that supposedly took place 39 years earlier, when all other possible witnesses of the ordination were dead). This is more than 30 years after the first manifesto, and decades after the complete cessation of LDS polygamy.
I’m guessing that the news represents the FLDS church as a remnant offshoot because of Krakauer’s book, which misrepresents Wooley as legitimate claimant. (Wooley also claimed to be a spy for the Secret Service, to have discovered recent polygamous marriages of Heber Grant and James Talmage and to have been ordained an apostle by Brigham Young at the age of 13–he was a certifiable crackpot.)
September 10, 2006 at 10:10 am
Didn’t we disagree about Krakauer’s book, David? I thought it was well done, not perfect, but an honest attempt. The one thing that struck me is how he ignored The First Vision completely.
I hope they fry this Jeffs guy. We live in Cedar City and run into these guys all the time. I feel so sorry for the women and children. One leader, could have been Jeffs, I could find out, but one guy who brought his car in to be worked on at my husband’s dealership, tried to give a girl to the mechanic. I know this guy, it happened. He gulped, and said, “no, thank you.”
September 12, 2006 at 8:08 am
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September 18, 2006 at 12:29 am
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September 26, 2006 at 3:33 pm
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December 11, 2006 at 9:00 pm
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